Investing in the Stockmarket since 1998: My real returns are -$2,962 – 20:20 Hindsight Series

This series of posts will look at my purchasing mistakes I made for the limited amount of trading that I have actually. I will look at the entire record, and try to thrash out what lessons there are for investors.

Now bearing in mind that I have traded since 1998 online, I will struggle to remember my actual decisions, rationale, and performance. Who knows what we’ll find out. I hope that it will be useful to all investors.

A Simple Formula

Though since that time there have been dividends and other stock successes, the crude method of working out my return is Money Out+Money Left-Money In=?

Let’s look at the details: Since September 1998, I have deposited $24,980.15 into my trading account at TDAmeritrade.

During that time, I’ve also made withdrawals (to pay for the deposit on our house, to cover unexpected costs, etc.), the total withdrawals are $16,250.

And the remainder in my account is currently $5,767.20. The grand total doesn’t include wiring fees, taxes, etc.. Nor I’m sorry to say, because I live in Taiwan, does it include exchange rate losses/gains.

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Simple math will show that I’ve incurred a gross loss $2,962.95 in those 16 years in the stock market. Truthfully, I’ve not been invested all of those years; and since 2010 I’ve been largely in cash anyway. This cash has been earning a measly 0.01% return (or something equally pathetic).

It would be hard to work out the actual profit across the time, but the numbers do tell the simple story. Money Out+Money Left<Money In. Therein lies the problem.

So what did we learn during that time?

That risking capital trading in the stockmarket is foolhardy, you will NEVER (as a private small time investor) EVER be able to be ahead of the BIG BOYS in trading the news.

That Return OF your Capital is always better than Return On your Capital. IOW, you need some ‘margin of safety’, some edge, some qualitative advantage that enables you to get back your capital. Trading the DOW 30 or the NASDAQ is always going to be risky. As we know, even BIG companies (like GM, BAC, Citbank, …) can have their ass handed to them on a plate; if you paid too much for them, or put on your rose-tinted specs too soon, you’ll be looking for your ass, too.

I’ve made a lot of mistakes regarding Bulls, Bears, Bubbles, Bounces, and … whatever other B-word I can think of. Why? Because I trusted other people’s advice, other’s people’s guts, other people’s news… in the stock market, I’ve come to realize, it always pays to do your homework. And never be swayed by the newspapers or CNBC or the Stock Forums or…

Lastly, if it weren’t for my businesses, house & other smaller investments increasing in value, I’d be doubly depressed. In other words, your stock market investing can never be your only or even your major investment. The markets are too speculative, too rigged, too capricious, and Mr. Market always seems to be wondering who he can ream next. Hint: it’s you!

I’ll be returning with a look at the batting average for each of those years from 1998~2014. And a few ideas about what I might be doing next.

Paypal is getting expensive: But what are the alternatives?

The real beef with Paypal is that fees keep going up. The typical fees are now approaching !0% by my reckoning, and my in some cases exceed 10%. Please can someone else verify this.

If you have a sale @ $100, then you have to pay 4.4%+30cents. So that is 4.7%. Now if you convert that to NTD, you will pay 2.5% exchange rate. So that’s another $2.50 gone or you pay a $5.00 fee for withdrawal to US account.

USD>NTD: $4.70*+$2.50+$1.15* for that $100 purchase or 8.35%.
USD>USD:  $4.70*+$5.00* for that $100 or 9.7%.

If you charge the price in a non-US currency, then there will be an addition 2.5% extra (usually covered by the purchaser).

Obviously you can minimize or eliminate some of the costs so the final rate may be different… but you can see why Paypal is a cashcow. Just not sure why we need to be the ‘feed’!

Is my math correct? Are there cheaper alternatives to Paypal? I’ll be checking several alternatives, just in case.

How Are After Market Stock Prices Influenced?

Available To Everyone

You can view and trade after market stock prices shortly after the market closes until quite late or you can start earlier than the market opens. However, there are a few things you should know first. You are, as a public investor, capable of trading on these networks if you know how.

There are different networks that you can trade on at this time. These are called ECNs, or Electronic Communication Networks.

After Hours Stock Prices Influenced By Fewer Investors

After hours stock prices do not act the same way as stock prices during regular trading hours. For one thing, they are more volatile, and spreads widen dramatically, especially in stocks with very low trading volumes.

As a result, trading after hours is usually done only by professionals and high net worth investors.

There are many fewer investors on these networks than during the day time. If you are familiar with how trading volume determines volatility and price spreads, the after market action will be quite clear to you.

Impact on Demand and Supply

With lower volume (less traders), there is naturally less demand and supply for any stock you are considering investing in.

You may be trying to sell a stock at $5.20. But the most anyone is willing to pay is $5.00.

In this case, it will be harder for you to sell your stock. You may even go till the next day before you can sell. This is another influencing factor you should be aware of when looking at the value of after hours stock prices.

So, say you give in and sell your stock at $5.00. You would have normally gotten $5.20, your asking price.

Wide spreads DO make a difference

This is not a large spread. But at times, it can be up to a few dollars difference. Imagine many of these trades being placed. With more trading comes more influence on stock price.

This is why after market stock prices tend to be more volatile, less liquid, and have greater price gaps.

I have just skimmed over this topic. For more information, check out my article on extended hours trading of stock.