Follow up to yesterday’s complaint about FatCow dot com Hosting

After yesterday’s post about a complaint about a hosting company’s ‘special offer’, I filed an email to their legal department about the issue that they were facing.

Dear Legal,

I apologize that I can’t address you by name. But I’m confused by your company’s current offer. I’m including a transcript of a conversation about the issue:

Harriet Anderson: Hi. My name is Harriet, how are you today?
kendickson98: hi, harriett.
kendickson98: fine.
kendickson98: i’m needing a little help with the pricing on the sales page…
kendickson98: is it The FatCow Plan $66.00 billed yearly
Harriet Anderson: Okay.
kendickson98: or is it 88 per year?
kendickson98: there are some places that say renews at 66 and others at 88 …
kendickson98: https://secure.***.com/register/registration.bml
Harriet Anderson: Actual price of our FatCow plan is $88.00 per year.
The offer price is $66.00 per year and this is only for the first year.
Harriet Anderson: Next year, your account will be renewed with the
actual price $88.00 per year.
kendickson98: then i’m afraid you NEED to change your website..
because that’s what it doesn’t say clearly on the billing page that I
sent you…
Harriet Anderson: Okay.
Harriet Anderson: I apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you.
Harriet Anderson: Is there anything else I can assist you with today?
kendickson98: no that’s fine… i just needed to clarify that before
signing… tks. have a good day…
Harriet Anderson: Okay.

I would be interested to know why the website states no less than five times in three pages that it is $66 PER YEAR, not $66 in the first year; and yet I find a disclaimer on this second page claiming otherwise. Even the shopping cart claims that is $66 PER year, not $66 in the first year.

So, would you care to comment on how you plan to fix this issue? Isn’t truth in advertising important?

Yours,
Kenneth

To which I received two (yes, TWO) replies both in denial about the problem, both confirming the original claim in the chat, and both unable to find out the problem.

Here is one of the samples: from Benedict Reyes at FatCow Dot Com

Hello Kenneth,

Thank you for contacting Support.

We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you. As mentioned earlier the actual price of our FatCow plan is $88.00 per year but the offer price which is offered to our customers is $66.00 and will be applicable only for one year after which you will be charged the normal price of $88.00.

Per your request, I’ve provided you the proof which shows the actual price of the hosting plan. To veiw the proof , please go to the link: http://www.fatcow.com/fatcow/fatcow.bml
Note: Scroll down to see the proof at the bottom of the page.

If you have any further questions, please don’t hesitate to contact us. We are available 24×7.

Sincerely, Benedict Reyes
FatCow Moo Crew

I’ve now replied, with another email, stating clearly my original complaints and asking for their website to be fixed. Perhaps someone will see what the problem is, but I’m not hopeful.

Dear Benedict,

Thanks for your response, unfortunately, in signing up for your
service I counted FIVE instances where that wasn’t the case, including

Example #1

http://www.fatcow.com/fatcow/index.bml
which has 2 images that state that clearly… PER YEAR! (see
attachment taken yesterday from your site)

Example #2
The second page is …
http://www.fatcow.com/fatcow/fatcow.bml

Where the phrasing used changes to $66/year. That choice also means
per year… eg. km/h means kilometers PER year, etc.

This phrase is used twice on this page.

Example #3
The billing cart page… the cart itself shows the pricing. This clearly states: “billed yearly.”

So I don’t know what proof you need, but to me, it reads clearly as
$66 PER YEAR, and it’s stated 5 times in three different ways. Ask ten
people who speak good english, show them the three pages I copied and
you ask them for yourself, how much do you expect to pay in year 2?
I’ll bet you most will be either confused or think it’s $66 per year..

I’m sorry… but you really have to take the time to go through your
billing process to see what I mean… I don’t know what more I can say
– except amend the graphic and text to SHOW what you REALLY mean, not
what you would like it to mean. Otherwise when billing comes around in
a year’s time, you will be dealing with complaints, chargebacks,
trouble from your credit card vendors, and from PayPal.

Best Wishes
Kenneth

Having already met with four denials about the issue, I can’t see what more I can do to persuade them that this is a real problem… I won’t be using their hosting for sure, because their staff refuse to see what the problem is.

Looking for hosting: getting the facts straight? FatCow Hosting isn’t, is it?

As many of you know, I was looking for servers and hosting… I’ve already found several deals and I’m searching to find out some good deals. I’m interested in spreading my sites around different companies to find out which company is good at service, reliable and stable.

Today, I came across a new hosting company with an intriguing introductory offer: take a look for yourself.

fatcowcrap

Do you see the words? I do: ONLY $66 PER YEAR… and it’s stated not once but twice on this page. Then clicking through to the next page shows the same offer, too.

fatcowcrap2

Can you see it? It’s printed twice on this page, oh, what’s that asterisk?…

firstyearonlycrap

Ah! the fine print! The plan renews at $88 per year. Ok. So that’s a new one on me! Let’s see what the cart says.

first time

I’m now a bit confused… So I contacted their LiveChat service twice and I got the same answer each time. In a chat that was recorded at 04:47, Harriet Anderson, one of the agents noted “Next year, your account will be renewed with the actual price $88.00 per year.” Another subsequent chat confirmed this.

To me, it doesn’t matter which price it is this year or next year, it’s just that if this isn’t $66.00 then why should the fee be advertised as PER YEAR? Should it? Unfortunately, I was considering using their service until I noted this problem. It would be fine if it was a mistake, but no one seems to have any clue how many times they are advertising their deal INCORRECTLY.

The words are $66 PER YEAR. Per year means each year, not $66 for the first year, and $88 for each subsequent year! I’ll write to the company with my complaint, but so far the clarification isn’t right. Either offer the deal OR amend the website? Which is it going to be?

Credit Card Crap: Statements ‘n’ all.

Credit card statements came in, two of them. Yes, that’s right. I’m the proud owner of 2 credit cards, soon to be three.

Why? When I usually espouse having only one credit card. The first credit card is the TSIB card. Initially the limit was approaching NT$300K, but I cut that right down by 50%. I was unhappy having such a large credit limit on my card.

#1 – TSIB Card

This month’s spending will be paid off in full, as usual. The expenses are quite minimal: Hosting for my school’s Flickr account (NT$773), the usual NT$2000 life insurance premium, and hosting for BlueHost (for InvestorBlogger) which is for 12 months at NT$1,355. Though this account is less powerful than the one I had, it seems a lot more stable.

#2 – SCSBCC Card

The limit on this card is VERY small, and when I first got the card, I saved up a lot of points that EXPIRED, hence I downgraded this card to online and emergency purchases ONLY. Then I forgot to reactivate the card for ages, its limit is only NT$50K. In the first month, I charged only 2 items: the US$1.95 paypal activation fee, which is credited to PayPal; and the last month’s hosting fees for Dreamhost. The total was about NT$1841.

#3 – Carrefour Card

In Taiwan, Carrefour have their own branded card, that doubles as a membership card, allows cashback, and bonus points. The membership function is the reason we were particularly interested as we shop there regularly. I can’t see too many reasons for having this card, except earning some cashback/bonus points on spending we already do. Also, the card is able to use VisaWave technology, making spending at convenience stores, and other places more convenient. We also get points for regular spending. It’s UNLIKELY we’ll ever use this card for paying off larger amounts. But it will come in handy. We usually spend NT$4~5K there each month on groceries and items for home as well as school. In fact, we managed to get lots of points for replacing one of our school’s airconditioners.

That’s it on the personal credit card front for June. How many cards do you have? Is three too few or too many?